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Brian I'm sorryto post this but I've got to vent. WHAT THE F@!%$ING H@%$#. ARE YOU THAT STUPID!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/07/be...ests/index.html

not more exist?

cnn droped this story like it was poison once public out rage got going,

quick and easy the city of berkley being a bunch of liberal hippie know it all asshole wanted to kik the marines out of thier town.

the link seems to be gone but what happened was berkley town concil while protesting the war decided to out the marine recruters in there building. approving non-violent and harrassing actions to drive the marines out of town. there argument is that the marines are preying on the weak and disenfranchized to go kill and be killed in far of iraq. protesters where seen holding picketts saying "baby killers" and "join the marine, meet new people, and kill them." The republican party is firing back by puttig in a bill to stop funding $2 millon to the town that they receive annually. berkley has fired back that there freedom of speech is being trampled on. In my opion this is one more reason that i wish arizona would soon become each front property.

sorry if i miss read anything here is a copy of the article i found.



Berkeley, the famously liberal college town in California, has taken aim at Marine recruiters, saying they are "not welcome in our city."


Berkeley passed a measure last week encouraging protesters to gather outside the Marine office.

1 of 2 more photos » Republican lawmakers in Washington fired back this week, threatening to take back more than $2 million of federal funding to the city as well as money designated for the University of California-Berkeley, the campus that became a haven of protests during the Vietnam War.

The battle erupted after the Berkeley City Council approved a measure last week urging the Marine recruiters to leave their downtown office.

"If recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome intruders," the item says.

It goes on to say the council applauds residents and organizations that "volunteer to impede, passively or actively, by nonviolent means, the work of any military recruiting office located in the City of Berkeley."
Outside the Shattuck Avenue recruiting station earlier this week, a handful of protesters with the anti-war group Code Pink camped out, strumming a guitar as they sang anti-war songs and held signs against the Iraq war.

"Time to end the war, time to end the war, time to end the war right now," they sang to the beat of "I've Been Working on the Railroad." Watch protesters sing "I Ain't Afraid" »

One giant sign said, "No Military Predators in Our Town." Another message on a pink placard read, "Join the Marines. Travel to Exotic Lands. Meet Exciting and Unusual People -- And Kill Them."

Zanne Joi peered out from under her straw hat. "This Marine recruiting station is trying to recruit our youth to go to Iraq to kill and be killed. And we are against that," said Joi, a member of Code Pink Women for Peace.

"This is part of a multi-pronged effort to end this war."

Protester Sharon Adams added: "This recruiting station recruits people to go fight and then once they fight and they serve their country, our country doesn't take care of them. That's a shame."

But not everyone here supports the protesters. Watch young men confront protesters »

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Forrest Smith, who described himself as a veteran of U.S. Special Forces, said his son recently returned from a tour in Iraq and his daughter served in Afghanistan.

"My position on this is the Marines are the best thing we have," said Smith, decked out in Army fatigues.

He blasted the City Council for its action. "It's clearly an abuse of power."

A group of young students who strolled down the sidewalk shared that sentiment. They derided one of the protesters who argued the United States was involved in an illegal war in Iraq.

"Where's the logic in that whatsoever?" one of the young men said. "That's our national security, and you're here protesting the Marines."

Another said, "It makes me sick. It makes me sick."

Gunnery Sgt. Pauline Franklin, a spokeswoman for the Marine Corps Recruiting Command, told CNN there is "no plan for that office to move."

She said recruiters are there to "provide information to qualified men and women who are looking for opportunities that they may benefit from by serving in the military."

"The Marine Corps is here to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, which does guarantee the freedom of speech," Franklin said. "In terms of the situation in Berkeley, the City Council and the protesters are exercising their right to do so."

In Washington, a group of Republican lawmakers have introduced the Semper Fi Act of 2008 -- named after the Marine motto -- to rescind more than $2 million of funds for Berkeley and transfer it to the Marine Corps.

"Like most Americans, I really get disturbed when taxpayer money goes to institutions which proceed to take votes, make policy or make statements that really denigrate the military," said Sen. David Vitter, R-Louisiana, a co-sponsor of the bill.

He told CNN he believes the bill will pass. "I think it's going to have significant support."

The bill's co-sponsor, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, said in a written statement, "Berkeley needs to learn that their actions have consequences."

Berkeley's declaration, which was introduced by the city's Peace and Justice Commission, accuses the United States of having a history of "launching illegal, immoral and unprovoked wars of aggression and the Bush administration launched the most recent of those wars in Iraq and is threatening the possibility of war in Iran."


It adds, "Military recruiters are salespeople known to lie to and seduce minors and young adults into contracting themselves into military service with false promises regarding jobs, job training, education and other benefits."

Out on Shattuck Avenue, it appears the protesters have no plans to leave anytime soon. "We are the civilian population; we control the military," Adams said. "We the people have to take back our control of the military." E-mail to a friend

i say fine they dont like the military then they shouldnt recive protection from them, but you know if a terrorist attack ever hit berkley they would scream "WHERES THE MILITARY!" "why isint the military here?" "ahhh im a whiny little bitch who only appreciates the military when i need them waa!"

boagrius wrote: "Military recruiters are salespeople known to lie to and seduce minors and young adults into contracting themselves into military service with false promises regarding jobs, job training, education and other benefits."

Sadly this is the common belief among many Americans. Even my uncle, a retired Navy officer, told me this when I considered the military.

well fritz i wouldn't agree with that point becuase if you do whats right in the military i believe they give you the right training, I believe the only time the military really screwed my dad was when they say you retire or get an overseas station but other then that i think military recuirters are honest people. And by the way not all salespeople are bad!!!

BAHAHAHAA!!! a military recuriter will tell you ANYTHING you want to hear. I am not saying the military is a bad choice, just that the recuriters lie and lie often.

that is a broad generalzation. of course there are those who lie, more often recruters who have trouble meeting the quotoas for new enlisted, but the marine corps has exceeded there's for the past 20 years.the marines dont want people who dont want to be there. people want to join the marines. until you join i can't explain why, it's just a calling. while i support everyones right to the freedom of speech i think its criminal for any government whether federal,state, or city concil to impede someone or some orginazation from speaking on a subject, and that is what recruters are doing. i havn't seen berkley getting to upset about the funeral protesters.

I won't say they lie, but you want a hard sell, try convincing someone to lay in a desert, get shot at, and they won't even get a beer for their troubles. I'm not sure you can really sugar coat that. Wake up Berkley, anyone joining the military now has to know we are at war, and will be so for the preceivable future. You'd never see this in Detroit or St. Louis, because to the poor and desitute "prey", the militay is seen as one of the only ways to pick themselves out of poverty. I say send more rich Berkley types to the front lines.

I can only speak from my experiance and those of people around me, but Army recruters will tell you anything. From guaranteed job placement, to pay, to trying to get you to sign on the dotted line when all you did was stop in for more information. I think that the military is a good path and I wanted to join but I wanted to marry my wife more and that is what I did. It is a joke to say that most of the recruters are honest and up front with people.

now i'm not saying there honest and up front, but nugget your in sales you use "puffer" or extended truths all the time, as i know i am in sales. so are recuiters in my experince was it bad no. When I went in to the army office to see a recuiter it was actually a great experince and no pressure, maybe times have changed but i dont see why they would have, becuase doesnt the military need people? I could understand back in the older days how they would pressure people into joining and make lies because people didnt want to change. I just think today younger generation wants to join so it just make it easier on the recuiters to recuit people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scXXs4_2Ako


they are breaking the law an the cops will do nothing .. i think this goes beyond freedom of speech

Yeah, some people are just so ignorant.. They forget that this is the land of the free because of the brave.