Obama Link

[MorGrendel]

Serban here is that Obama link you asked for.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/d-s-hube/2 ... ssue-obama

[Berserker]

Yeah, I don't believe that reflects anything about Obama. That's not Obama's office. The office in question is run and funded by volunteers and is not sanctioned by the Obama campaign. There are thousands of volunteers for every candidate across America. He can't be held responsible for what volunteers put on their walls. There is no way to enforce and police what volunteers do. That was dumb of the person who was in that office but that in no way means that obama is a communist or endorses that belief.

[Rachel]

omg I didn't know Obama was commie quick burn him! And not wearing a flag lapel... for shame... oh I think Quakers don't believe in putting there hand over there hearts either, are they commie too? wow I feel so enlighten by that liberal media busting website, think I'll go join the republican party!

[ahrimen]

Why would you want to do that? you ARE a communist! stay in the demicrat party with the rest of the commie scum.

[MorGrendel]

Bahaha... The message under the video was not there the first time I saw that video.

I agree, I may have overstated the "flag" and not so much the "volenteers". However, in a plug for Obama being the Latino canidate ("a movement" if you will) it sure seems convinent and anything but an accident that there is a Cuba flag in the background. As far as sactioned, the video stated that there will be paid staffers in a week. Maybe things work different where you work, but if I'm giving out paychecks, I'm going to have a few rules, and volenteer or not, everyone will tow the line or get off. I have been in a volenteer office (which that was one nice office by the way, the one I was in did not even have heat) and have explored being a precint leader for Paul, and anything short of your canidates propaganda is not allowed.

I worry about a president who seems so unaware about how (WE THE) people percieve him, who does not care what (WE THE) people think of him, he sounds and acts too much like the guy in office now. I don't like, smells rotten.

Beyond that, let me be clear. I can almost get behind the not wearing the lapel pin (though that may just be my fashion scense), but the hand over the heart thing, just seemed like one of those things you do when you are standing in Americas heartland. I think Obama is pompous. The Dems have bred him for this. He has no political experience, and yet everyone (the media, rivals in the party, other politicans) can just seem to ingore that. He is the Anoited One, the Golden Boy, the Black Canidate with Fries on the Side; he can do no wrong. I think he has a smug urban bias. I think he and the Democrat party look down on rural America. America includes the mid-west as much as it does California, New York, and Florida.

Finally, (and this mostly for Rachel) I could have sent you to the Fox site directly, but I had brought up the other points in conversation with Serban, so I thought I'd include that link for your edification and speed of finding. I typically stay away from Libertarians as they label eveyone a communist (I think they are banning ABC right now for being Commies).

[ahrimen]

more over.........
the people who work for Obama reflect on him the same way some one waring a Galatia tabbard reflects on us. not to get to hard on your boy Jeff but Ron Paul, f*'ed him self when he acceped money from a nazi orginzation. hes not a nazi as Obama may or maynot be a communist but to accept money or aid from such people reflects appon you and a candidate should make it thier buisness (or atleast hire some one to) to know these things and denounce them when they find themselves worked into his/her campaign. dont know if any of you haveheard of william shu, but he donated money to Hilary and it turns out he's an agent for the chinese gov. she pretended not to know a thing about it, (I doubt it) but she atleast did the smart thing and gave the money back. (and y'all know how much i hate the clintons) Obama shoul make a public show of fireing these people and denouncing thier belifes.

[Rachel]

Here is a statistic to mull over that I picked up in one of my classes over the past year though I don't remember which one. It was a random survey done to people on how much Fox news they watched and how much misinformation they believed. As it turns out, the more Fox news people watched the more misinformation they believe, surprised? (And yes, this kind of study cannot determine causation but only make a correlative association, but I'll doubt its coincidence)

Maybe he was ok with the flag being up there, maybe it was volunteers who thought it was a good idea, maybe it was a bunch of idiots... People play that Fed up political game and if they don't play they don't have a chance to win. So if the target audience for that flag would have just been people who would respond positively to (is that what you were saying Jeff when you said you don't think its an accident) it then its a good political move, now having that put on the news so more then just the target audience can see is counterproductive because now the game is being lost, more people repulsed by the ploy then enlisted.

I believe all the candidates and everyone in politics do that kind of calculated misbehavior targeted marketing who ha all the time. If the news casters can find an example of that kind of thing of course they’ll find a way to show it, especially if it suits there agenda. I like the flashy myth site better then Fox there’s nothing insidious about it they have a view and an agenda.

I will stick with, I was not there and I am not inside anyone else’s head to know where fault is and what intentions where.

[hypo]

So I was listen to the radio the other day, Elliott in the Morning, and a woman was on there to promote Ron Paul and she was spouting off about how this country has gone to hell with all the Blacks and Mexicans. So by your own rule Ron Pauls hates Blacks and Mexicans. YES/NO? You are stupid if you exactly basis your opinion off of a some group of nut bags. Come on guys! And by the way Chuck Norris is going to win anyways and he’s not even running.

[MorGrendel]

<Steps on soap box>
Dan, there is a reason the mainstream has not touched this; Ron Paul can not control who donates to his campaign, nor can he stop people from posting what they like on there site. You can look up any donation given and the information looks like this:

BLACK, DON MR : WEST PALM BEACH,FL 33405 : SELF-EMPLOYED/WEBSITE MANAGER : 9/30/2007 : $500

And to me it is SOOOOO obvious that guy is a racist.

Seriously, $500! Whoa big spender. Did you know that much lower than that mark you are not required to record the contribution? Who's you guy Dan, McCain? Please explain:
Merrill Lynch $155,950 - investment bank. Lately, the company has been putting out fires in its own backyard, after two major clients—Enron and ImClone—fell prey to corporate finance scandals. Congressional investigators have launched an investigation into the two companies’ troubles.
Citigroup Inc $153,362 - they just took 7 billion dollars from Middle East Price to bail themselves out of the housing market collapse, plagued with lawsuits and government investigations into its financing of bankrupt Enron and ailing WorldCom. Wants to create Terrorist Insurance.
Goldman Sachs $85,252 - an investment firm that has been a major proponent of privatizing Social Security as well as legislation that would essentially deregulate the investment banking/securities industry. In August 2002, following months of corporate scandals, congressional investigators launched a probe into whether stock analysts at Goldman Sachs issued biased investment advice in order to protect corporate clients.

Maybe that is not enough reason for you, and you still want to worry about Nazi instead of the fact that households that have two incomes can not afford to buy a home, then maybe you should google up: subprime scandal.

As of 2007:
Top McCain 2007 Contributors
1 Citigroup Inc (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $145,050
2 Blank Rome LLP – (attorneys) $141,400
3 Greenberg Traurig – (1750 lawyers) $129,987
4 Merrill Lynch (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $119,675
5 Goldman Sachs (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions)
$111,050
6 IDT Corp – (telecommunications) $80,150
7 Pinnacle West Capital $77,850
8 Bank of New York Mellon (Subprime Scandal) $74,000
9 JP Morgan Chase & Co (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset
questions) $72,100
10 Irvine Co Apartment Community $68,400
11 Broadcasting Media Partners $67,800
12 MGM Mirage $66,100
13 Credit Suisse Group $63,350
14 Lehman Brothers (Subprime Scandal) $61,450
15 Bridgewater Assoc $58,300
16 Cisco Systems $56,850
17 Triwest Healthcare Alliance $54,250
18 FedEx Corp $52,100
18 Wachovia Corp (Subprime Scandal) $52,100
20 Morgan Stanley – (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset
questions) $51,950

Damn me and my stats:

Ron Paul Top 10
US Army $68,817
US Navy $57,076
US Air Force $52,371
Google Inc $51,382
Microsoft Corp $46,079
US Postal Service $31,054
Lockheed Martin $26,754
Boeing Co $24,388
At&T Inc $22,398
IBM Corp $19,177

Also Ron Paul has no debts! McCain is over 4.5 million in debt! Ron has not spent more than he has made imagine that! He is also the only canidate with a Full Disclosure $13,241,563 (94.9%) rating. And if you look at his top three contributors, they are the people of OUR MILITARY. I'm sorry, but to me that speaks volumes.

<Disengage soap box>

[MorGrendel]

Doug, I did not hear the interview, so I can not comment directly. However, numerous attempts have been made in Ron Paul's name to discredit him, so I will take the man at his word and hope this person was indeed a nut bag who used their 10 seconds of fame to promote their own racist idiolog.

Here is Ron Pauls response to the "racist letters" that came out right before the debates. It was on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/ ... nnSTCVideo

[MorGrendel]

Oh, and for you Obama lovers, here is his top 15:

Goldman Sachs $421,763
Ubs Ag $296,670
Lehman Brothers $250,630
National Amusements Inc $245,843
JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848
Sidley Austin LLP $226,491
Citigroup Inc $221,578
Exelon Corp $221,517
Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420
Jones Day $181,996
Harvard University $172,324
Citadel Investment Group $171,798
Time Warner $155,383
Morgan Stanley $155,196

See above for subprime scandal.

[hypo]

I was just trying to state that you should never base your decision on who to vote for by what others are say on their behalf. Most of them are just there to spit out whatever nonsense they feel is important to them. You can not control who follows you, only what you say you are going to do.

[MorGrendel]

Doug, I'm with ya. I would hope everyone is smart enough to realize that...though when a canadate is banned from the debates it is significantly harder for him to get his message across.

However, I have to point out though that this discussion was formed around things Obama did. He did come out and dismerit the wearing of American flag pins, he did stand for the pledge of allegence and not put his hand over his heart, and it is my belief that he (or his wranglers) staged the Cuban flag in an attempt to garner support from Latinios. As Rachel pointed out, that is all just part of the politics game. However, it does not mean I have to like it or that I can not ask for an explaination.

Also, Clinton just ended the "boycott on Fox" and has asked for a debate between her and Obama. (no joke)

[ahrimen]

no i dont like mccain im stuck with him, i ended up some how on that stupid poll telling me mccain was my candidate when it didnt ask me a single question about anything as to why i dont like mccain.
example ii DONT think that underpants on the head or watter boarding is torture, he does! i got more examples of where i disagree with mccain then i have time to type them. but hes the best of whats left :x

and i do not like hilarius clintonious but she did give back chicom money when it went public that was where the money came from, do i think she wanted to do it? no but she did.

[ahrimen]

by the way do you guys actualy READ what i write, i said ron was NOT a NAZI but accepting money from then just looks bad and is hard to explain, i dont care that he did it but 299,000,000 americans seemed to, my point is peseption is reality that is why hilary gave back the money from the chicoms (chinese communist for thoes in reolinda)